Liu Zhengcheng interview
Time: April 15, 2008
PM Venue: Bamboo Cottage
interviewer:
Shao Bingren made a speech. It seems that we talk about the aesthetic standards of the discussions of calligraphy, to begin.
Liu Zhengcheng:
how's going children?
Medialei:
like this: The first thing, ah, is the three of us had Xiang, gift with me to dinner. During the meeting, chatting, and I have wanted to mobilize Xiang, do one of his interviews. He said you do not do me, I suggest you ah , the large topic, do the bulk. I can feel drawn, with a series of events taking place in recent years, many heavyweights have been unable to bear, to speak.
we are negotiable to stir one, we feel able to talk about the level of a guide to these people, we want to do a series, are the same topic.
popular guest:
all about the standards, criteria for Calligraphy in there now chaos. now pick up the brush and can write Chinese characters, they all count calligraphy. ideological confusion after ah, resulting in a lot of strange phenomena.
Medialei:
would like to use this network platform, this in Calligraphy outside the system. to the network as the main course, we hope to use Chinese books French Open, so you can compare a number of grand from us off the ground. to set off a nationwide standard on Calligraphy in the great debate.
your We first visited this project.
Liu Zhengcheng:
Cai Shunong article is representative. in which the views of Mr. Shao Bingren, clearly against the is a confused mess wipe, do not be so persuaded Wang Yong came up, even when faced with Wang Yong said. because he is vice chairman of China Calligraphers Association, so he would influence surface is relatively large, with a considerable representation.
just I'm writing this two-day review of Xu Wei's calligraphy, Xu Wei, in his very young when he made a very famous words: , revealing not only the art of calligraphy, including above all the art of aesthetic psychology of the first major feature, that is, mm highbrow.
a calligraphy us that he certainly has his work originality and forward-looking, he is gone In front of all calligraphers. Only such qualities can be a true representation of an era, calligraphers.
such as Wang, who just came out is the Yao, said he was The Eastern Jin Dynasty calligrapher literati. From a wider audience to see, their acceptance was delayed, so will the Art in General Orders. His paintings are also Scribble, no shape. was it a He and they are out of tune. can be identified as he is Xu Wei: book first, second verse, the third paper, painting fourth. Since his calligraphy, as the high, that the first is the calligraphy, the painting that he did not care, He is basically a drawing for some rice ah, ah what to get some money.
The result, he died six years later, dao tapped him, ah, terrible! Yuan said that his poetry, literature, We are the first Ming Dynasty. said his calligraphy Eight strange, the first of his paintings! dao is a writer, he was opposed to the Ming Wang Shizhen, who after Seven. He appreciated Xu Wei poetry, literature that into the poem into the song can be.
You see, Xu Wei and they think the book first; dao that the first poem; to Shi Tao, eight, Banqiao, Qi, that is painted first, they have become Ha lackeys in advance, ahead of his contemporaries will not be recognized. Therefore, This gentleman, he just can not understand, did not understand Wang Yong.
we need to strengthen the learning Ha! (laughter)
popular off:
high book which not join the secular eyes!
Medialei :
and the funny thing is, everyone has their own child a cell. children look down from this grid, it is unsightly. rises, not all people can understand that the highest , there are different levels, there are interesting differences.
popular guest:
It seems that time goes a step further than Liu Bingsen. Liu Bingsen time is the mention of the Evaluation of calligraphy. He did not mention the some users to stubbornly believe that Zhang Yuxiang understand strokes, the strokes the child has not started it.
Medialei:
this post is what I do, in fact, the purpose of this post I did, just wanted to let people Zhang Yuxiang concern in the pen, brush on the thinking and exploration. The results was that he did not pen to paper method, ha ha hh
popular off:
key is calligraphy that starting point, what is the threshold of children? this is not everyone's understanding of Like too much.
Online has a post yesterday, is the stone open, in the Ming Quan, Zhu also accepted three new calligraphy which also discussed the bottom line? interpretation they think of next, the bottom line is too low. is a leading cadre, is a man, even if it usually has no knowledge, just dare to pick up a brush to write the two-pen, they all into calligraphy.
evaluation of non-calligraphy calligraphy too many factors. The man's status, fame, even if it is a movie actor, comedian, wrote the two pens, but also calligraphy. We must not give one of the most basic calligraphy set threshold for children, that is, to what extent, be considered as understand calligraphy. you write the word can be called calligraphy.
there is Chinese calligraphy can not be divorced? our views are not the same, in the Ming Quan said, I think that calligraphy can be out of character. because some of the forms of calligraphy, like wow what a large grass, we have been unable to read, and is already a pure art. In the case of read, as long as a pen, with ink, the performance of a line what force, they can become independent art. Zhu Xinjian, what he advocates can not be separated on the characters, it is not from the Chinese calligraphy.
The result, lead to such a situation now appears that the Pan-calligraphy, calligraphy everywhere What level can be called calligraphy.
Medialei:
caused this mess now one of the most direct reason is probably the selection of the Ninth National Art Exhibition. because the other has always been the kind of controversy, a matter of opinion, merits and demerits, which is normal. but by a state certified scale development, he will not judge those who are below capacity, while eager to be successful pursuit of blind people. grasp this scale, it is soon will be able to see the benefits. It suddenly into chaos.
popular guest:
there, I am afraid, and the written as.
Liu Zhengcheng:
I think, in this sphere calligrapher, who wrote the good, who is badly written, we are very clear. For instance, Beijing, Tianjin, where, who The Weibei well written, well written draft Zhuanli who has an agenda we all know, is not necessary to controversy. have just stepped into the threshold, of course, he did not know.
the same in other fields , music, who composed well, Peking Opera, who sang well, it was not obvious so! Mei Lanfang, Ma Lianliang, Shang Xiaoyun hh, very clear out there.
art of calligraphy to a real level, is very clear. as young boy story, a Wang to our health to go, went away, wrote a piece on the wall characters, young boy went up, scrape it, and then rewrite it himself. He was very proud of thought, and Wang is not much difference. may Wang Jian Kang came back from such a look, and says: This is how the words written in this way, I was drunk must stop drinking? offer great shame! What does that mean? Wang thought he was pretty good, the real thing, and can be the king could see that eye is not the same.
this young boy, but also stop giving Xie wrote, something all right to write the total. can not give him Xie reply. Xie hit once, he asked, I'll give you wrote so many letters Why are you not give me reply? In fact his letter have nothing important thing is to want to see Xie my word how? want Xie praise! (laughter) Xie knew he was narrow-minded, and finally say it out altogether, your words Yeah, not as good as your father!
This example shows that in this group idea is similar. In an era, in a hierarchy, such as Beijing, who wrote a good point, who wrote almost, is a spectrum between each other. say you are Calligraphers Deputy you so well written No one would think so.
So why is this cause confusion? With respect, this confusion is the result of propaganda department. an association who went to the chairman, who is to become vice chairman, should be according to your the ability, and are elected by the peers. Propaganda Department, what he is responsible for general candidates each recommendation, the recommendation list, and it broke. Propaganda Department of the originally well-intentioned, I want to select the person ability and political integrity Well. this thing of art if the publicity department of the Ministry to manage, much better. because the art department and art often contact information. can be managed is not the art department, the cadres and departments to manage. cadres at how can I know with Art experts? not. He can only recommend to listen to people, listening to recommend all over the leadership. how can ordinary people to see the lead then, an officer can see is some of the a with the cadres are art experts. he can not ah, unlike in the past, is the Mao Dun and Guo, HE Jing, Wang Meng such people as the leadership of the relevant literature and art, they certainly know the ropes of the. of calligraphy, Mao Zedong's most knowledgeable, he asked Wuliang eat, called him comrades about his evaluation of Mr. Liu's words, very professional, so I am very enlightening. So the charge of leading cadres is very important, if his lack of professional training of calligraphy, he can only like those tacky.
Wu Guanzhong, literature and art has become official said. and often do, this well-written, he can curry favor in the attitude that a particular skill is not official, and even easy to be caught wrong. To do so would be more finished. Last up, and may have been some no illnesses, people are not wrong, but he calligraphy wrong with it! (laughter) In this way, put this matter mix of the Well, people do not know who to listen to of the. Finally, I doubt even the artists themselves, hey, what I wrote on this not right? say you a high level, how can you not the chairman, directors, uh?
which is caused by the chaotic standards of a major literary society learn why. So Comrade Deng Xiaoping said, to the separation of party and government. Literature and Art Association can have the party's leadership, but art experts must be done within the party, can not easily arrange to take care of the treatment level administrative cadres. to the leading cadres Calligraphy to promote the general leadership of the Ministry to be specifically asked, do not you go to the association after the write, to concentrate on party work to do. In fact, it was impossible it! he wrote to the exhibition, who would not cheer, but also sell a good price . This is the decision by his administrative status, there is a model, here and in the community to follow, that he that is a good thing. most of the people and no ability to distinguish the art, can only see the Association's professional ; number. That messed things up and be proud.
who talk face to face advice in front of Wang Yong, Xiang comrades who, if he is not Calligraphers Association Vice-Chairman, he said the newspaper would not have registered to go. to because he is vice chairman to board to go up a newspaper, and thought it was a guiding opinion. art system needs reform, end the 30-year disease here, the economic system after the reform, there have been changes in how much it! only our literature and art institutions, 60 years without reform.
popular guest:
So, the Chinese Calligraphers Association also has a transformation process. just set the time, but also are experts. Slowly, more and more non- experts, and more and more unprofessional.
Liu Zhengcheng:
start-up time is a message from Mao to write it! Sha Menghai, Lin Sanzhi, Qi Gong, Zhao hh, are leading members of the Well!
art system needs reform, but also a process. the early days, we need to consolidate political power, the Communist Party to promote the idea of publicity and literary work, regardless of family. a few years later, the social environment and social needs changed, publicity is publicity, art is art, both the internal laws of requirements are different. Art is a productive Yeah, but the soft power of the state. This literary development of productive forces is the need for it law. If you do not act according to its laws, then it certainly was restricted literary productivity up. This is why Wu Guanzhong, if not to dissolve the association, art no hope.
this thing has good intentions. you Why are so many mass organizations, so many people. I sent a party of the workers, for your service, coordination of your conflict, the original intention was good. you do the work of the party and you're right. your way, became a calligrapher, and it is the Association's Vice President. This thing messed this thing!
Calligraphers Association of Henan Province recently general online discussion, come up with 18 Vice! there are a lot are not real experts, all channels are recommended to the Propaganda Department of the Vice President. That bad, too serious thing. above, the organization department, also nothing wrong, what is wrong with it? he sent, and it is a good man, there is no corruption , there is no theft. but elegant art comes to the country, talking about standards of beauty when it comes to literary development of productive forces, we have a little more seriously.
I did have a sharp point, and some leading different point of view, Comrade. I think the county level, Calligraphy, Calligraphy in the municipal level, is to carry out universal. National Calligraphers Association, is to carry out improvements to raise the overall level. follow Chairman Mao's view, popular, is under the guidance of the popularity of the increase. you engage in a popular national Calligraphers, who will guide the popularization? children. National Calligraphers Association, is the highest body to improve, it should be representative of the commanding heights of national cultural institutions.
Medialei:
slogan is Liu Zhengcheng:
This is our country's long-standing union work methods, the introduction of a model representative of the advanced elections, good people. Many of our comrades Calligraphy, former trade union work is done, Mass Art, and cultural centers, factories propaganda department. like me, is the factory before the Propaganda Department, the trade unions out of the thing. It is Calligraphers present this one. in accordance with this selection model, selection of advanced methods, it certainly would not be elected Xu Wei. (laughter)
Wang Duo said the On the Road ah, that is three to five in the barren hills and remote places few people inside, bubble tea, and slowly the product. Today the situation has changed, calligraphy popular participation for social progress, but it is the aesthetic calligraphy skilled work. how can this thing to vote Art is not consistent with law, contrary to the law of Art.
Liu Zhengcheng:
You see ah, the Propaganda Department, and the bureaucracy associated bureaucratic culture, to Calligraphy with cadres, recommended President, members list. know nothing about the text associated Deputy Chief of cadres to then, go further elaborate on this approach: assessment committee, how do? we assessed the administrative divisions. say you are a province of Calligraphy of the Secretary-General, Judges of course, is that you, your region or area on behalf of a thing. As There is no professional standard to the matter, and that seems fair. so pushed down to become a hodgepodge of. experts, is relatively high Well, should also have a number of limitations. an association of twenty thousand members, three , fifty reviewers, yes, right, a hundred reviewers even more, right? Review Committee of the seven now, more than three hundred experts! experts do not specifically so! what the experts now, there is a age limit is set by the executive branch, and after a six-year-old after he was laid off. to say that more than three hundred experts, does not include more than six years old. As a whole, do you Changba my debut as field, talk about the art of chaos skirr how the standard it?
this Chinese traditional art, and music is also not the same. He can be taught early not take a long time of experience, Wang's calligraphy is is wonderful. , very good people sing folk songs, children given the particularly low point, those who leave, a large, empty theme, give high marks children. Why, those to know that hyun skills!
Review of the eighties, the nineties, the Chinese Calligraphers Association Evaluation Committee, which is three, fifty people, and engage in more than two decades to promote the development of calligraphy have legislation successful. We should conscientiously sum up the experience inside, not by politicians skills to seek a balance.
Medialei:
Yes, I remember the last time you talked about this issue. review, is a professional, take a long time of experience. is not to say You write good words, there is capacity assessment.
Liu Zhengcheng:
Yes! you like the Nobel Prize judges, he is very professional, over the years are fixed and that a few people, he would not lightly Substitution. a literary individual is probably six or seven individual look. for a long time engaged in a work, he has his experience, he summed up in the constant, and he is always concerned about the trend. not now, you come out this way , and he did do some up, have engaged in fast track approach, of course, become increasingly chaotic.
Association is not withdrawn, but the Chinese will not have that kind of success. now the mainstream have gone wrong have gone wrong in the leadership of Calligraphy, the natural lead of the people on this clue. him this confusion, is global chaos. He himself is an outsider, will not write, he can not to confuse you thinking What?
your circle of this consensus, this scale, it was like to play down some people. Instead, he does not want you to understand that we all understand, and he no way were mixed. If people know what is good and what is bad, that they have the market Why?
Medialei:
You are right. a group of people, such as me, the most cutting-edge Those exploratory work, nor is it about to understand, not very like. but at least we do not lightly deny him. Why? We know the reason why these people have this effect in the circle, there must be some of his reason. temporarily do not know, we will try to get to know him, near him, and we hope to clear the pool water clear point, that we see clearly that does not want to muddy it.
some people different, is meant to muddy mix of the common people only then to see them as calligraphers.
popular guest:
some people want to mix the water. They are the beneficiaries of such a bureaucratic system, he did not want to damage the interests of their own piece of . If the standard is very clear, no benefit to them, they do not enjoy the advantages of this system. Though you have any of the Calligraphy one an official post, but people will not approve your calligraphy, not then you as a calligrapher had. so this is a threat to the problems some people their jobs, big problem.
Medialei:
really the case, it will eliminate a lot of people. Last of the Ninth National Exhibition, online discussions should not take the Calligraphy of the topic. I told a post, I said it at all levels of Calligraphy, is already a vested interest groups. Many people are relying on the job Calligraphy eat. If you really put Calligraphy to withdraw, and there are a lot of people will lose their jobs! Therefore, withdrawal of Calligraphy, certainly does not work.
Liu Zhengcheng:
Wu less intense criticism, nor is said to be revoked, he talking about is . Do not funded by the State wages, the association's funds from contributions and community which settled this way, he would have on the members responsible for it! system is not optional, it is a direction of the service problems. The above grant raised him up, he of course, on top of La face. He handed in by the following contributions to feed, naturally he will be responsible for the following, members of the Association in good faith to face this Officer small, both know, I chose you, you have to for me. then, Anhui, Sichuan, to engage in , the responsibility is not the same thing! was originally the same big pot, we were hungry belly, the system is not the same, engage in household production, and to a year to harvest the What!
Therefore, cultural reform, there can not be No, this association is not to withdraw. artists also need a contact somewhere else, on the need for international exchanges on the ah. now know, you want to be the Chairman, Deputy Chairman, was first to clear the publicity department relationship. you do not clear the relationship is so well written, no one knows you, the better the more you may be children came to be. There is a saying called: one is going to the old, his words good. He certainly is not because I did not when the Chairman of the United States, the disgruntled, absolutely not. He is feeling from the heart, is a kind of national literature and art of love and hope.
Medialei:
the first to propose revocation of those who text together Yeah, I remember it was Cao Yu Cao Yu Hu Qiaomu on the bed said. when he was President of China Federation Yeah!
Liu Zhengcheng:
Wang Meng has been proposed to dissolve the Writers Association.
popular guest:
They are all very closely.
Liu Zhengcheng:
that withdrawal, this is not nice, is ; weaning. know, the report concluded always He s good. his official did, here you say well, no use.
Medialei:
Yes, and similar to the Ninth National Art Exhibition, was referred to the sake, when he and the above report, Yes still a performance. he saw how much the amount of submissions, an unprecedented number of works into the exhibition, the situation is excellent, very bright.
Liu Zhengcheng:
Yes! What shortcomings did not say that. Look online disclosure, the Audit Commission review how much money out of illegal violations. At least, when you write the summary of these issues to mention it! what problems solved yet? problem is not afraid, who do not make mistakes? changed like. But, there is not a word mentioned so! either online publication, which know what the problem there.
Therefore, this system is very important. so do, how can aesthetic standards which do not give disturb it? as a person, not when he When Vice President, said a question mark if he would: how to have the word Xiang? Wang Yong word how? When the Vice President, he spoke of playing an exclamation point: the word is that you have confused Xiang chaos wiping, Wang Yong you that word is ugly book. (laughter) Yeah, if I not how I became a Vice-Chairman of Calligraphy? You have how even a director of Cheung is not it? lower than I, that of course, you're wrong, not me wrong with that.
popular guest:
the impact on society is too great, no matter what his people. people, laymen, general audience, there is no ability to distinguish people, can only see your location. It messed things up a.
Liu Zhengcheng:
So institutional issue is the fundamental problem. Wu to his later years, he not talking about art, literature and art institutions to talk about his impact on art. I think central government should seriously listen to his advice.
Medialei:
now think of it really is, let's first generation of national leaders, although the leadership was a bunch of uneducated, but they and National Culture background, have good aesthetic cultivation.
Liu Zhengcheng:
uneducated, just below mid-level cadres. above those leaders, which are also very cultural. founder of the Communist Party Chen, Qu, and that written word more than okay! Chen, Shen Yinmo criticized the word , Shen Yinmo the number is more popular. Zedong did not ask Shen Yinmo dinner, please Wuliang dinner, which got a picture, ah. Wuliang that he appreciated the words, Mao Zedong, art vision of high ah.
; magnificent . was elegant, not accepted by most people, after a period of time, five years, a hundred years later laity slowly accepted, it is possible, and precedents. the same time, tastes, and it is impossible .
Liu Zhengcheng:
Yes, it is a contradiction, there must be an acceptable process. your words such as Master Hong Yi, and now no one says he is not good. but with his people the same age, is hard to say Fortunately, what kind of word out of his place. His word, have the technical skills to the reduction of a few very pure state.
It said the art, the question of its influence. Guowei earlier, is of aesthetics. He studied aesthetics mainly two objects, one is beautiful, magnificent. Othello, he suspected his wife fornication with others, put her strangled. but he loved his wife, love and jealousy are intertwined, and finally he committed suicide. this end, dramatically the impact of the human mind, is a sublime.
another it, beautiful, it is more lyrical, resorting to visual experience. such as the celebration of the Tang emperor Li Bai's palace, to capacity, spring whisk threshold Revlon. , appeared to be very beautiful. such as Wang, Zhao Mengfu, Dong Qichang the road, described as exaggerated by the performance of more force to move your soul. like Xu Wei, like eight, as Master Hong Yi. You see the passion of anger that Xu Wei; also the kind of wild Fu Shan, work hard; there that do not eat human Master Hong Yi Fireworks, remove the powder gas, washed Qianhua. He is not a simple cause your vision to reconcile, even pleasure, but rather by creating conflicts, increase contrast, the formation of visual impact, shock your heart, and this is a tragic sublime.
their so-called rather than the visual coordination. This is precisely the aesthetic differences between the two, the two parts can not replace each other. beautiful to not it? that Wang beautiful, he is holy book it! strongly to all good? not , refuse cut strongly, it is an acrid odor. poetry, drama, fiction, music, can do this kind of distinction, to take music, the , Mozart's Waltz, it is beautiful. each have their own distinction, not to replace each other. such as calligraphy hung on the show after your show on the bones to become Qiu Mei. Wang word not always kitsch that pro, he's a Do you like to engage in the beautiful beautiful, like to engage in magnificent splendor. If you have more than ideas, it would be quite a literary aesthetic experience levels to compete with him than out. what is Wang Duo, Fu Shan high? or Zhu Zhi Shan, Wen Zheng high? That might be a matter of topic, because when the key on the Arts. Japan had Xu Wei's calligraphy And this was the dao said, is higher than the Wu Men, more than Wen Zheng, Wang Chong two reputed high when the world's people. It seems people in general, is certainly unacceptable. Xu Wei kind of have to have a very high level of human accomplishment, the scope of the aesthetic in order to discuss this matter. not be solved by the people to vote, it is possible to have a quantitative standard for everyone put in there. < br> This discussion should go on the range of academic, makes sense. splash of blue against Sri Lanka in the history of European literature, when, for example, you are in this work, half of them strongly opposed to, half of them strongly in favor, often this is .80% of the most successful say good, or more than 80% say bad, it certainly can not. Now history recognized Van Gogh, Van Gogh was alive, his paintings are not even pieces of bread are not on the What changed . is written now, has a conclusion, you just do not like Van Gogh, you can not say he was bad.
I made the first feature, then the association, some people say Wuliang not calligrapher Well ... .
